Political Parties

Just like the title says. The creation of Political parties of the GIA. It can work just like Parliaments and Senates. People vote for the candidate of a party for president. And the winning party also takes control of the appointment committee. With a chairman and a fellow member of the A.C.

Thoughts?

It would be fun, but there is just no way I want the appointment committee in the hands of a political party. I'd be too afraid they'd block nominations of anyone who wasn't in their party.

That said, I'd be interested to see how the parties formed and what the different ideologies were, and voting for a President from a party might be fun. Do you have a party platform in mind?

I'd be willing to establish the:


Liberal Party

or the

United Liberal Nations Party of the GIA.


I am very socially liberal. While I am fiscally moderate. I believe in strong political and civil rights, i.e. gay/lesbian rights, pro-choice etc...,

While fiscally, I believe that the government needs regulate the Federal Economy, but should allow the states to spend their money, the way they want to.

That would be an ideal party for me.

I and Collective have been preparing our own ideas on a party system over the past few days. We shall be forming the Social Democratic party, the true left wing of the GIA. We believe the appointment committee ought to be run like your supreem court in the US wth members standing for as long as they wish. This means they dont have to fear a politician with a grudge.

Prepare in the coming days for the unveiling of the constitution of the Social Democratic party.

Well, FINE then.

take the wind out of breath

HMMPH!!!

we need parties from both sides of the political spectrum; so there will b the far-left, the left, and we need right and far-right...... and possibly we need extremes on both sides 2, but only as minority parties

political spectrum:

equality (more 2 less) --------->
communism......socialism..social democracy....liberal democracy._..conservative democracy........corporatism..facism.Nazism.....libertarianism.anarchy

We are hoping to do that. Forming a party can be complicated though as there is a lot to consider. I and Collective Believers will be launching the constitution of the Social Democratic party within the next 48 hours.

Yes, Nova, you are correct. So this will be the official nominating area of official GIA political parties.


I however, will likely still create my own political party, which will be placed on the far left. Unless the Social Democratic Party is the Far-Left.


But anyone wishing to create their own political party, place it here. And wen ready, create a topic in the section with the name of your party, explaining your platform and whatnot.

about that: both of you have to duke it out on which one is more socialist, and which one is the "far left" party and which one is the "left" party


as for conservatives; are there any in the alliance?

Well, yeah. Our current President, Kaesekartoffeln, is fairly conservative. But until political parties are officially created, we do not have to run with someone in our own party.

There is also Steikar, and Corbatia's Embassador and the ladders father nation Corbatia.

Nova feel free to create a party.

AS for Collective and Gracania dueling with myself for a further left political spectrum is incorrect. I said, I'd like to be in the furthest left party. So if the Social Democrats don't meet my criteria, then I'll create my own.

Do we really have to specify who is furthest left? should that not be determined by the Policies of that party rather than what the party is called?

i would like to create a Communist Party here that follows the Marxist-Leninist style. That is what i want to do. If there is some issue with that let me know.

Woah New Roosevelt AKA mr Vice president i know Corbatia personally and he is a hardcore Stalinist


as for creating a party; i am willing to join any socialist (not communist) party that comes up

Nova, he said in a post, that he didn't vote for Collective, and for Jandrewia because he was a little more Conservative. Look at the may election thread.

That's where I got that. But if I'm wrong, then I apologize to you both.

I still would like to know about forming my own communist party. If I could get a clearer understanding of how we are to go about forming these parties it would be good. Not just for myself but for all the others interested in possibly doing this.

Well, as most know, I'd feel complied to tell others that don't, Communism is supreme leftism. It is the absolute left. Because when it is broken down, Liberals want more personal freedoms, conservatives want more tight restrictions on said freedoms. Communism, in Marxist-Leninist at least, is where the people have so many freedoms, there is no longer a need for government. Of course Communism is also an economic style of governing. But that doesn't play much effect here, since you can't collect taxes from any of us.


So say you form your Communist Party of the GIA. You'd need to create a platform, and what the goal of the CP is to accomplish in the GIA.


But this brings up a question in my mind. What happens with the parties that aren't in power? It is just a thought, but what if we make Voter Nation's, party members. And only nations that are members of a party have the right to vote. I realize it is a little federalist, but that way, we elect in out of a % what party has a majority of voter nations. Just like in parliament and in a senate.

Are there any thoughts on that matter? I think it could be a very interesting endeavor.

completely disagree on ur statement about only party members can vote: the right to vote is a right to everyone, no matter what


as for the parties not in power, they can still stick around, and on NS2 even create a separate alliance (while still being under the umbrella of the GIA) in order to keep things organized in their party

Hmm i see your point. Also i believe that only voter nations should have the right. it makes sense. So long as they register to vote. Anyway how would any government here do much besides pass laws? The communist Party has its own laws on what should and should not be done. I believe very strongly that the working class citizens need more rights and such things as this. But the government moniters activity and passes laws by my understanding correct? And as for the formation of ones own party under the umbrella of the GIA i am representing and alliance that was around before I joined the GIA. The Communist Party of Nations. That is my communist party that i want to form. It wont be the same obviously but it will be based on the ideals.

the only problem w/ my idea is the possibility of a split, which would be a sign that democracy is failing and thus even more drastic things will happen

all in all, the "party-alliances" must be strictly regulated to make sure nothing outside the alliance yet under it does nothing against the laws of the alliance (if that made any sense)

again, i will state that the right to vote should be given to ALL members of the alliance, not some distinguished members. this is exactly what socialists were first fighting for back in the 1800s, (as well as the right to form unions and redistribute wealth)

However all nations have the opprotunity to apply and become voting members by my understanding. All they have to do is take the initiative to WANT to become a voting member. It is not that we are giving privliges to only a few, we are giving rights such as voting to those nations that ask to participate. From what i gathered we are not saying some people are not allowed to become voting nations we are just saying they need to apply first. I hope my interpretation is correct.

what you all are saying is that only Voter Nations can vote, but from what i can remember there are a lot of other ranks then "Voter Nation", thus you were implying that the others cannot vote, and since only the top two can create laws, only they have unfettered power


that brings another point up; if u look at the freedoms of all the ranks in the alliance, you will see that for the first half or more all the freedoms are the same, making them different in name only

this should be changed, for the good and democratic values of the alliance

This may be so that rogue nations cant do something to alter the alliance. My guess is that all members vote on laws that are to be passed but then the president and or vice president put them into effect.

not too many freedoms for that to happen, just enough for some sort of democracy to be available

for one thing the right to expel and promote/appoint should go to ONLY the president and VP (and possibly the third in command that they have appointed and they trust)

Well, I thought you asked about the ability to ask laws. I think it is far more organized with the propositions and the things like that going through the elected leaders. It will make sure that there are not too many things happening at once. And hopefully get rid of things that are just a waste of time. I am not saying that people shouldnt have the right to propose whatever they want but i am saying that the president and vice president should make sure the propositions are serious rather than just something stupid or outrageous.

Nova,

While I do appreciate your input on the matter, I must address a few things you said that are incorrect about the GIA and what my idea was.


My idea was never to ban people from voting, they were to vote for representatives from each party, like a Senate or a Parliament. I then asked for your input on what should be the next series of events. If I did not make that clear, I apologize. But for changing the freedoms of say my old position of Security Council Chairman, the most you could really do is give them mass telegram privileges, you said the only members that should have promotion, demotion rights are the President and VP, editing alliance summary and history could be a hassle for some random person to just spam it. Not a whole lot else. The title represents that they have a job. It's like a police officer, their job is to protect and serve. But they don't get to break the law on their own do they?

And you are severely incorrect about something in the GIA. While the President and Vice-President may have the power to enact laws, they have NEVER and will NEVER do so. Check out all of the past passed legislation. It hasn't happened. And Jandrewia, the creator of the GIA ensured that no nation may do so. Look through some past threads, he got very angry at a few nations that suggested that, that had occurred.


Now to round out, here is my official proposal for Political Parties.


Any nation that is a member of the GIA may create their own political party of the GIA so long as it has a platform that is independent and does not steal from another parties. If a nation does that, it will be sanctioned by the Cabinet. Nations with any rank of the GIA may become members of a party. All nations vote for a party once a month that has put up a candidate. Which ever party's nominee receives most votes shall take office as President-Vice President. But the party shall also take up the majority of the seats in the legislative body we shall create later.

Needs some tuning. But this is more of the general view of it. The difference of the legislative body and regular voting nations, is the same as in the Senate and Parliament. The voters elect representatives who share their ideals. I realize it is not a perfect system, but we are shifting towards partisan politics, so unless someone else has a better way to utilize partisan politics, I'm completely open to it.

Fair enough. I may not make my party. I am not sure at the moment. However if someone creates a good enough socialist alliance i will join that instead of making my Communist party. However i will say that until more details come out about socialist parties that my Communist Party will be formed.