North Korea Threat

Nova Loherien wrote:the chinese military isnt all that bad

i mean compared 2 us technologically we would win; but if it was by mere population they would overrun us

and not to mention china is developing (and buying) military technology now, so they arent that far behind

I beg to differ. The PLA stands at about 2.25 million men at the ready. Well, that .25 million still use one shot rifles. China is no where near its potential. And that's why it can't let the US fail, because they need American Military supplies and weapons.


And China still hasn't developed any of their own cool technologies. The US have the cool Atmospheric air-to-space flyer and China is trying to develop something close, but is a ways away. China buys almost all of their Aircraft from Israel, and all their weapons from the US and Russia. They still depend on others far too much.

Indeed.

i wud beg 2 differ on sumthing you said


the chinese got the first successful earth-to-space missile, just saying

Um, no. They were the 5th nation to have a satellite.

The US does have the ability to shoot down satellites, I believe, and have since the eighties.

The US, although it is not common knowledge, has a shuttle that can go up to the top of the atmosphere, enter an orbit until it reaches its destination then either drop out of orbit or drop a bomb/missile.

They developed right before the USSR fell believing that communists rebels would try and reestablish the government.

I'd just like to point out that the militarization of space by America is in violation of dozens of international treaties.

Oh I know. Laughs. We call ourselves the leaders of the free world and only act like it when it best serves our purpose. No argument there.

The rest of the free world seems to think Americans are uneducated backwards bigots. Or at least, many Australians do.

British people do to. America is categorized, maybe unfairly, by paranoia, the KKK and the insane rich poor divide.

America is seen as backward because of things like the death penalty. The UK abolished it in 1969 and France in '77, and we really got good at it - hung drawn and quatered mean anything? The only European country with the death penalty (excluding Georgia and Russia who have it for treason) is Belarus. Other countries on the list with the US include China, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Vietnam. Even Mexico has got rid of it but the supposedly land of the free likes to kill the citizens it doesn't like. How can America claim to be superior to countries like Mexico and Russia with their record on human rights when it comes to criminal punisment?

You're asking the wrong guy. I fully support the abolishment of the death penalty.


The problem lies in the fact that the US won the Cold War by, "defeating the looney's on the left," (I believe that Rumsfeld said that...) And America was so against that kind of liberalism for so long, we forced ourselves to the right. We are moving back to the center/left, but it is moving slowly. And while republican media will make Obama out to be the most liberal president since JFK, he's really not. At the end of the day he is a centrist who will likely help the healthcare system, women's rights and gays rights. But he's going to be a moderate most of the way, don't even worry about that. Wait, but I do! We should worry about a moderate president!!!


Oh well. Hopefully Gavin Newsome will win the California Gubernatorial race and can get some experience to run for President in 2016! A real Liberal!

I hope the world never becomes leftist, that's the last thing we need, oh yeah that's right, I'm supposed to give up my freedom without a fight. One of my favorite signs in a joke poster that is sadly true says this:

'Welcome to Liberal Canada, where you can marry a fag but you can't smoke one' (no insult intended just pointing out what the sign said).

Also as far as militarizing space, I think it's warranted, and acceptable. Also, on the death penalty, I can see abolishing it for regular criminals, but you know what I don't want to see my money going to keep a worthless pile of trash like Bin Laden alive.

I'm personally a very wrong one to ask on my opinion of the leftist side, because I'm a very strong supporter of capitalism, I also see what liberal countries look like now, and nothing personal, but liberal countries are usually slipping down a slope rather than going up. Now I'm not going to lie to you and say capitalism and conservatism is perfect, but it's far........... better than liberalism. Except of course classical liberalism, but the modern liberalism you guys refer to is horrid.

Wilhelm Tuscini wrote:I hope the world never becomes leftist, that's the last thing we need, oh yeah that's right, I'm supposed to give up my freedom without a fight. One of my favorite signs in a joke poster that is sadly true says this:

'Welcome to Liberal Canada, where you can marry a fag but you can't smoke one' (no insult intended just pointing out what the sign said).

Also as far as militarizing space, I think it's warranted, and acceptable. Also, on the death penalty, I can see abolishing it for regular criminals, but you know what I don't want to see my money going to keep a worthless pile of trash like Bin Laden alive.

I'm personally a very wrong one to ask on my opinion of the leftist side, because I'm a very strong supporter of capitalism, I also see what liberal countries look like now, and nothing personal, but liberal countries are usually slipping down a slope rather than going up. Now I'm not going to lie to you and say capitalism and conservatism is perfect, but it's far........... better than liberalism. Except of course classical liberalism, but the modern liberalism you guys refer to is horrid.

Your point about being the wrong person to ask is exactly the problem in what people see is wrong with leftism. They see it as communism/socialism. The thing is, is that its not. Communism mixed together social liberalism and fiscal liberalism. (Which is I'm referring to marxist ideals, not how how communism actually turned out in the world) People had civil rights farther than the eye could see and people economically, had all that they needed, no more no less.

Communism how we saw it in the world was actually not liberal at all on the social side. Communism=Dictatorships is basically how the "baby-boomer" generation saw communism. Which is on the other end of the political spectrum. Dictatorships go as reactionary on the political spectrum, which is as far right as you can go the spectrum. So "communism" the way the world has seen it is really not how it was meant to turn out.

But ask our resident Communist Nasha, what his opinions are on "communism" the world has seen!

Another one of these "Communism is evil! Oh wait its what now?" sort of things? Thats great. But yes, the Soviet Union and other Communist nations were not truely communist. It became more of a label than an actual philosphy in the nations. But perhaps we should have a seperate thread that descirbes the difference between communistic ideals and those of the extream rightists.

You're right the Soviet Union was a socialist dictatorship, more or less. Communism as it was meant to be by Marx is a wonderful idea, I mean seriously, I know you wouldn't think that would come out of a conservative's mouth, but it is a very fascinating and good idea, however the human species is greedy, it's an undeniable and in some ways sad fact. However, seeing as this is how we are until we can actually evolve past this point, I happily embrace capitalism and freedom.